tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546950008014232634.post2605307818915832991..comments2009-11-06T18:17:09.088-08:00Comments on Injustice In Seattle: US ER Doctors Reveal They Know Police Use Excessive ForceUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546950008014232634.post-44096812164741037112008-12-26T13:50:00.000-08:002008-12-26T13:50:00.000-08:00Well, that's certainly an interesting take on the ...Well, that's certainly an interesting take on the study... of course, you missed the point entirely.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that establishing avenues and set policies for ER physicians to report when a violent arrest has taken place along with precise details about the types of injuries sustained will allow police departments to be aware of incidences where the injuries sustained don't match a use of force report.<BR/><BR/>So it seems that your reaction, and that of many cops posting in their own message boards about this study, seem way over-dramatic and even paranoid. It's not like this report is any official inquest that will result in officers facing discipline, so why cite case law in response to it? That's just plain absurd and seems to be an overly defensive response.<BR/><BR/>It's not like this study is advocating that physicians have the power to arrest police officers they suspect may have used excessive force nor is it giving them any power to issue discipline or take an active role in the disciplinary process. They wouldn't be judging you, but providing their expertise in determining the nature of injuries a suspect sustained.<BR/><BR/>Of course, to put it another way...<BR/><BR/>You, as a cop, are not trained to make a medical diagnosis, so why should anyone accept your word that someone you arrested didn't sustain any injuries and the nature of any injuries sustained?<BR/><BR/>We shouldn't. That's why this study recommends allowing doctors to have the ability to report what they see, nothing more, nothing less.NPMSRPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18052178969107494589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2546950008014232634.post-19482163687118829552008-12-25T14:40:00.000-08:002008-12-25T14:40:00.000-08:00A recent article was published on your site statin...A recent article was published on your site stating Dr's feel Cops are using excessive force too much. I have some concerns with this study:<BR/><BR/>Did the dr's making this claim know all the facts and circumstances that led up to the use of force?<BR/><BR/>Does the medical staff understand the Case law set by the US Supreme court (Graham v. Connor)?<BR/><BR/>Did the docs draw their conclusion based only on the injuries and not considering the totality of the circumstances?<BR/><BR/>How many docs get mad when you go to the Doctor with a "Self-diagnosed" condition? They tell you that you are not the medical doc - and leave it to them to examine and diagnose. They are "Self-Diagnosing" law enforcement officers actions. <BR/><BR/>This quote is great (from the survey):<BR/>A large majority (96.5 percent) reported that they had no departmental policies on reporting their suspicions or they did not know of a policy to guide their actions, and 93.7 percent said they had received no education or training in dealing with these situations.<BR/><BR/>- - WHAT THEY DON'T SAY IS... that 99.9 percent of them probably have no training (or very little) on determining the cause of these injuries. A bruise is a bruise is a bruise.. sometimes shape and differentiation in color can indicate a blunt or pointed object causing it, but they won't know if it's a baton strike, flashlight, or they tripped and fell.<BR/><BR/>Many times the officer bringing the suspect to the ER is not the officer that used the force. The officer bringing them in is clean with no bumps and bruises. The other officer most likely has bumps and bruisers and may have went to another hosp. for treatment.<BR/><BR/>I know many, many times the ER staff has called for lasw enforcement due to a very combative patient. Hardly ever have the dr's ever told the cops HOW to do their job when they arrive. Why are the Dr's complainining about excessive force when they were not in the fight, under the stress at the point in time the cops were? ? ? ? <BR/><BR/>The Supreme Court states that the Judge and Jury can not consider what actions the officer SHOULD HAVE taking after the fact. Why are the Dr's doing this?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17009443352727279502noreply@blogger.com